Good Night Sister-Mommy
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Sometimes I think people go too far in the name of love. Sure, it’s a powerful force and we need more of it I think, but for a mother to give her eggs to her daughter so that she may one day have a child I think is going too far.That’s exactly what the TimesOnline has reported today. The 7-year-old child, Flavie, has Turner syndrome, a medical condition where an X chromosome is missing. In most cases, infertility is a result, though getting pregnant with donated eggs is possible.
Her mother, Melanie, out of the kindness of her heart, didn’t want her child to not experience the joy of giving birth to someone. So she decided to bestow upon her 21 frozen eggs of her own for when she grows up. In other words, her half-sister or brother.
Clearly, we’ve made leaps and bounds in the medical industry in ways that are truly amazing. But I think we’ve crossed the line in too many places — this being one of them. Just because we can do something, doesn’t mean that we should.
Perhaps it just wasn’t meant to be that this girl was to grow up and have children of her own. To me, that’s what nature has told her already. For the mother to make this preparation, I don’t know, seems selfish — more for the mom to feel good about doing something rather than for the good of her daughter and eventual grandchild.
Your thoughts?
[tags]medical,fertility,eggs,mom,child,ethics[/tags]

July 4, 2007 at 9:19 am
While I acknowledge the sentiment behind it, it is still freaky
July 4, 2007 at 9:24 am
Indeed. Reminds me of the song “I’m my own grandpa”.
July 4, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Ahah I was singing the same thing when I replied
July 7, 2007 at 10:55 am
Yikes, you read my mind. Nice gesture I suppose, but this is a bit creepy. Yeah, its always unfortunate when someone grows up knowing they don’t have the option of having kids, but you have to think about the kid and the life they would live.
July 7, 2007 at 11:20 am
Hi Kyle, thanks for commenting.
Exactly, care must be taken to have kids for the right reason – love between a man and a woman, not a man, woman and her mother.
July 4, 2007 at 9:53 am
Yeah, this is weird. I mean, like Brown I can UNDERSTAND, but um – What about adoption? It is expensive and tough I know. But…
July 4, 2007 at 10:02 am
As I was writing this I was thinking why not adoption. It’s this feeling of, “well, I know nature has its own opinion, but I’m going to override and do the pregnancy thing anyway.” I’d feel the same way about this even if they were somebody else’s eggs. I don’t wish to sound cruel about this, but sometimes accepting the circumstances is the right thing to do.
July 4, 2007 at 4:05 pm
“Nature has it’s opinion” Are you kidding me?
Do you also think women should have their children out squatting in a field? At what point are you going to draw the line? Would you allow the assistance of other people? Sterilized instruments?
Why is the Brown case okay but this case isn’t?
There is a lot to be said for a known medical history vs random donor eggs.
I only regret that I did not have the foresight to have some of my own eggs harvested and frozen 15 years ago for my own daughter. I’m 50 now though and my time of opportunity has passed.
My 17 yo has chosesnow to keep a close eye on her hormone levels for the expected signs of early menopause. At that point she’ll attempt retrieval on any of her own eggs that are viable.
In our times, life is complex. Period.
July 4, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Hi Sherry, I appreciate you stopping by and providing your input. However, I’m a little unclear as to what you’re saying. Squatting in a field? Sterilized instruments? If you have a moment to clarify, I’d appreciate it.
July 6, 2007 at 10:57 am
It’s the phrase “nature has it’s own opinion”.
According to that, there should be no heart bypass surgeries, no inhalers for asthmatics, no antibiotics. “Nature’s opinion” would remove everyone who could not survive without medical intervention from the gene pool.
I’ve gone pretty far in my genealogical studies of my own ancestry. There are so many cases of children being raised by grandparents, by siblings, etc. I wonder how many of them knew the truth? Four hundred years later does it even matter?
My 17yo daughter has TS. She is an incredible person, a high achiever who is an internationally ranked athlete. The world is a better place because she is in it. I wish I could post a picture here of the child that so many of you would like to deny options.
Without careful attendance by my physician during my pregnancy, she would not even be here. Most pregnancies with a TS fetus actually result in miscarriage. I went on to need a c-section. Nature’s “opinion” would have been for me to die in child birth.
When the media first picked up this story I was glad that people would learn about TS. But now, everybody is an “expert” on TS, but they in truth know nothing.
I truly don’t understand why this is even an issue for anyone who is not facing the same problem of infertility. I especially don’t understand why it’s an issue for anyone with a male chromosome who isn’t about to marry a girl with TS.
I asked my child what she thought, if I had frozen some of my eggs so that she would have the option that Flavie will have. She thought it was a great idea, and wondered why anyone would have a problem with it because it would be her decision. Unfortunately, my eggs are too old and that option is closed to her.
July 7, 2007 at 11:16 am
Hi Sherry,
I wanted to prepare a proper response to your comment before publishing both of our comments. Hence my delay in publishing yours.
I’d like to begin with saying that this was never an attack on individuals with TS nor was I claiming to be an “expert” on TS. Far from it. Rather, it was about the decision this mother, Melanie, made that I disagreed with.
I think that sometimes people make decisions that, on the surface, appear to be for the good of someone. Indeed, their intentions I’m sure are genuine. But upon closer inspection I think there are times when the motiviation of their intentions is really about (at least in part) to fulfill their own desires.
For reasons I cannot understand (and I don’t think it’s because I’m a father, not a mother) Melanie projected her own feelings (fears?) on her daughter’s future — that of not being able to give birth to a child. When did that become a fear that a parent would have to interfere with? Calming a child from that squeaky noise in their bedroom at night or while watching a scary movie — those are the fears we should be tending to, not our own fears of them not having the chance to bear a child. That’s why I mentioned that medical advancements, as good as they are, have crossed boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed. Of course, that’s just my opinion, and we could find numerous differing views.
I said “nature’s opinion”, but to be more clear I should have said that it’s “God’s will”. I’m NOT saying He’s punishing anyone. Please don’t misunderstand that point. Instead, it’s that we’ve all been given gifts and challenges that He has left up to us to deal with in the best way we can. But I don’t think that means we should be playing His role. That’s what Melanie did, in a way, by deciding to freeze her eggs for her daughter’s future because she thinks her life would be less meaningful if she were not to bear a child. I have kids of my own, and indeed it is a wonderful experience. But to say that someone will not have as rich a life without children would be met with a gazillion singles or married couples without children that would say, “Nonsense!”
What of this?
So to turn it around a bit, if my son marries years from now and finds out that he can’t make his wife pregnant, should I go out tomorrow and freeze my sperm just in case? Will he be missing out on what it means to be a father or have less of a life? Absolutely not, because he can adopt or choose not to have kids at all. I’m all for making plans for the future, but planning my children’s pregnancy is not and will not be one of them. That’s God’s job, not ours. And what of the emotional turmoil such a case might bring? It wouldn’t really my son’s child; it would be mine. And even though I would have had this baby in a non-intimate sterile way, I would have still had a baby with someone who’s not my wife. No thanks. I have too many troubles of my own without me needing to create new ones.
Regarding the other medical advancements you spoke of (i.e., bypasses, inhalers, antibiotics, etc.): those solutions are meant to save lives or to improve the quality of life. Giving birth is something else entirely. When it’s used to make someone feel better, then not only is that an abuse of the gift of life, but it also cheapens the meaning of giving life.
You asked “Four hundred years later, does it matter?” Of course it does; your ancestry managed to get along just fine without the types of medical solutions available to you today. You and your daughter are proof of that.
I really do appreciate the time you’ve spent sharing here. I hope I have not offended you in any way. Please feel free to reply more.
July 4, 2007 at 5:16 pm
That is perhaps one of the freakiest things I’ve heard. It’s almost equivalent to some sort of twisted incest. Ew.
July 4, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Hi Helen, this definitely crosses the line for me, too. I think medical advancements are great, but there comes a point when we must stop and ask ourselves are we really doing the right thing for ourselves, for another individual, for society?
Thanks so much for stopping by.
July 4, 2007 at 9:44 pm
If the girl grows up and wants a child, I have no doubt that she will be able to go find some eggs on her own. I am sure that she would be able to find a donor from someone, and maybe even a member of her family. Perhaps the fact that her mother is saving these eggs for her is a little premature, and it should be something that, upon reaching the age where she would wish to be a mother, she could figure out on her own. While I understand the mother and her concern, I think this is ultimately really “none of her business”. She should just wait and see what happens, after all her daughter has not even hit puberty yet, I think it is a little early to be thinking about being a grandmother.
When I was 7 I was nowhere near being ready to be a mother, and I am sure that Flavie shares this with me.
July 4, 2007 at 9:53 pm
I think you said it best when you said, “none of her business”. Up until now I’ve regarded her actions as selfish, but wasn’t really sure how to put that into better words. Your comment about her wanting to be a grandmother really fits with the whole “selfish” thing.
July 6, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Maybe she won’t even want children in the end – but with all those eggs she might feel obligated. This is really an interesting moral debate, and a really good post for discussion. I am enjoying the conversation that is going on here on your blog as a result of you posting this.
July 7, 2007 at 9:00 am
That’s a good point, Danielle. If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that feeling obligated is not a good reason to become pregnant, which is something I agree with. Glad you’re enjoying this post.
Me too, as it’s very interesting to see the different perspectives being brought to the table here.
July 4, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Hmm these are all deep thoughts that I need to absorb. Now where did I leave my brain at?
July 5, 2007 at 4:32 pm
I don’t think it is nature’s way of telling the girl she can never have a child. I know I want to have a child someday, and if I knew I never would be able to myself, I would be very depressed. I love kids. So I think it’s perfectly fine if this girl grows up and accepts donated eggs so she can have her baby.
HOWEVER, I do not think she should accept her own mother’s eggs. That’s just a little bit disturbing, knowing you’re giving birth to your own sibling. It’s plenty fine for her to have a baby, just not with her mother’s eggs.
July 5, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Hi Tay, I probably should clarify. When I said that thing about nature’s way, I mean she wasn’t meant to actually give birth (or at least the probability was high). But being a mother by adopting, absolutely.
July 10, 2007 at 12:49 pm
Oh Boy Mark, you sure know how to get yourself in trouble, lol. That’s why I’m too chicken to ever state actual opinions on my blog. hehe
I think everyone depending on their situation would think differently about this. I know people who are trying everything possible to get pregnant and it’s taking a serious toll on their lives. So who am I to judge? I’m so fertile I spend my life trying “not” to get pregnant again, I already have my own army.
Personally I wouldn’t feel comfortable in giving my eggs to my anyone, not even my child. But I would do whatever was possible to give my child what they wanted, support them in financial costs, adoption, etc.
Good for you for taking on such a touchy and emotional topic! It’s interesting to read other people’s opinions on this subject!
July 10, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Hehe…thank you for your kind words and I’m glad you’re enjoying the read.