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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a lot of great and thoughtful feedback everyone! I&#039;ve taken so long to write a response because I was carefully thinking about what I wanted to say. In fact, I may even write a follow-up post!

&lt;b&gt;@Bobby:&lt;/b&gt; I think the &quot;one-ness&quot; you speak of can still be attained without having to break down borders. But let&#039;s say they were taken down -- there would still be an &quot;us vs. them&quot; mentality or a &quot;hey, what are they up to?&quot; mentality simply based on geography. We can be neighbors in theory, but practically? Distance alone will always be a factor in how we think of ourselves and others. That&#039;s not to say we shouldn&#039;t TRY to get along with everyone, of course, but distance has always been a thing to overcome despite the advancements we&#039;ve made with the Web, for example.

I agree with you that wars stem from making the other side see the other one&#039;s way. Religous wars are chief among them, but not the only reason, of course. And I think the fear of a one-world government has more to do with wondering what those in control will do for their own personal gain at the expense of those they lead or what they&#039;ll make their followers do, rather than people fighting against it just because they don&#039;t like the idea of unifying on a global scale. At least that&#039;s my theory. :)

&quot;This country cannot be taken over even if it were invaded by 40 nations.&quot;
I believe the American spirit is currently slumbering, kind of like a sleeping dragon. There are times when we see it cast a glance toward whatever is annoying it at the moment and hear it rumble in anger (like talk radio, for instance). Once it decides to awaken though, whew -- those invading nations won&#039;t know what hit them!

Oh and don&#039;t get me started on the whole democrat/republican thing. What a bunch of school children trying to influence their position in the pecking order on the playground. Geesh! :D

Awesome response, Bobby. I always value your opinion and am glad you have taken the time to share it here. :)
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&lt;b&gt;@Forest:&lt;/b&gt; your input is always welcome here buddy! ;)  To paraphrase your comment, &quot;we need someone to clean the toilets&quot; is used quite often, but still pushes aside one basic truth: these people came here illegally (not all of them, of course). What does that say about them? What does that say about Americans who want to allow them to stay? It says, &quot;we don&#039;t care who comes here because, gosh darnit, our toilets are dirty.&quot; LOL If they want to come here and do that, more power to them, just get in line at the door. That way, the families they&#039;ll be bringing over will look upon their parents with pride knowing they did things the right way, and instill in them to do the same...and we&#039;d have cleaner toilets.

No doubt our economy will be affected by such a change, but I see it as a necessary transition to set things right again. Maybe then employers will stop making it so appealing for people to come here illegally.

&lt;b&gt;@Bush:&lt;/b&gt; thank you for your kind words! 

1) I agree -- Amero is not a good choice.

2) Democrats and Republicans need to get their act together, otherwise, all this will be solved without them.

3) Ditto.

4) Haven&#039;t heard of such cities, but I have heard of places within those cities. Most often they&#039;re churches. Perhaps it&#039;s an unspoken thing to have city law enforcement to overlook the transgressions made by illegal aliens when they comprise a significant portion of the population?

5) Suffer? Most likely. Practically anything that can be defined as a solution for the overall problem will cause suffering to some degree on both parties. But I really can&#039;t think of a way around it.

6) I don&#039;t know. I&#039;m on the fence on that one. On one hand, I can see the value in a mother and father doing whatever it takes to provide for their children. But on the other hand, at least in the case of crossing the border illegally, I have to imagine there are several layers of options to go through before even considering committing an act such as that. Perhaps that&#039;s the way it is for some, but I fear that they&#039;re in the minority. We just need the whole world fixed. What do you say? Who&#039;s up to helping me fixing it? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a lot of great and thoughtful feedback everyone! I&#8217;ve taken so long to write a response because I was carefully thinking about what I wanted to say. In fact, I may even write a follow-up post!</p>
<p><b>@Bobby:</b> I think the &#8220;one-ness&#8221; you speak of can still be attained without having to break down borders. But let&#8217;s say they were taken down &#8212; there would still be an &#8220;us vs. them&#8221; mentality or a &#8220;hey, what are they up to?&#8221; mentality simply based on geography. We can be neighbors in theory, but practically? Distance alone will always be a factor in how we think of ourselves and others. That&#8217;s not to say we shouldn&#8217;t TRY to get along with everyone, of course, but distance has always been a thing to overcome despite the advancements we&#8217;ve made with the Web, for example.</p>
<p>I agree with you that wars stem from making the other side see the other one&#8217;s way. Religous wars are chief among them, but not the only reason, of course. And I think the fear of a one-world government has more to do with wondering what those in control will do for their own personal gain at the expense of those they lead or what they&#8217;ll make their followers do, rather than people fighting against it just because they don&#8217;t like the idea of unifying on a global scale. At least that&#8217;s my theory. <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;This country cannot be taken over even if it were invaded by 40 nations.&#8221;<br />
I believe the American spirit is currently slumbering, kind of like a sleeping dragon. There are times when we see it cast a glance toward whatever is annoying it at the moment and hear it rumble in anger (like talk radio, for instance). Once it decides to awaken though, whew &#8212; those invading nations won&#8217;t know what hit them!</p>
<p>Oh and don&#8217;t get me started on the whole democrat/republican thing. What a bunch of school children trying to influence their position in the pecking order on the playground. Geesh! <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Awesome response, Bobby. I always value your opinion and am glad you have taken the time to share it here. <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
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<b>@Forest:</b> your input is always welcome here buddy! <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   To paraphrase your comment, &#8220;we need someone to clean the toilets&#8221; is used quite often, but still pushes aside one basic truth: these people came here illegally (not all of them, of course). What does that say about them? What does that say about Americans who want to allow them to stay? It says, &#8220;we don&#8217;t care who comes here because, gosh darnit, our toilets are dirty.&#8221; LOL If they want to come here and do that, more power to them, just get in line at the door. That way, the families they&#8217;ll be bringing over will look upon their parents with pride knowing they did things the right way, and instill in them to do the same&#8230;and we&#8217;d have cleaner toilets.</p>
<p>No doubt our economy will be affected by such a change, but I see it as a necessary transition to set things right again. Maybe then employers will stop making it so appealing for people to come here illegally.</p>
<p><b>@Bush:</b> thank you for your kind words! </p>
<p>1) I agree &#8212; Amero is not a good choice.</p>
<p>2) Democrats and Republicans need to get their act together, otherwise, all this will be solved without them.</p>
<p>3) Ditto.</p>
<p>4) Haven&#8217;t heard of such cities, but I have heard of places within those cities. Most often they&#8217;re churches. Perhaps it&#8217;s an unspoken thing to have city law enforcement to overlook the transgressions made by illegal aliens when they comprise a significant portion of the population?</p>
<p>5) Suffer? Most likely. Practically anything that can be defined as a solution for the overall problem will cause suffering to some degree on both parties. But I really can&#8217;t think of a way around it.</p>
<p>6) I don&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m on the fence on that one. On one hand, I can see the value in a mother and father doing whatever it takes to provide for their children. But on the other hand, at least in the case of crossing the border illegally, I have to imagine there are several layers of options to go through before even considering committing an act such as that. Perhaps that&#8217;s the way it is for some, but I fear that they&#8217;re in the minority. We just need the whole world fixed. What do you say? Who&#8217;s up to helping me fixing it? <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: A little link love - Week 24 &#187; Ordinary Folk</title>
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		<dc:creator>A little link love - Week 24 &#187; Ordinary Folk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] America in a Downward Spiral - My buddy Mark voices his opinion about a proposed North American Union and introduction of a new currency called the Amero. I hadn&#8217;t even heard about this until reading it on Mark&#8217;s site. I guess I should watch the news more often. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bobby Revell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Revell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are all immigrants. I worked for a company where most of it&#039;s employees were African Americans. I had an old Irish lady say, &quot;I wish they would all go back to Africa.&quot;

I said, &quot;I think they should send all of YOU back to Ireland.&quot;

@Bush - I used to think most wars were based on religion. That is only on the surface. On a deeper level, it is nationalistic pride.

We should be proud of being individuals, not individuals from a certain group. This a type of macro-social nationalism.

Let me say it like this,&quot;I am proud to be a human being from Earth.&quot;

If we get invaded by aliens, we will be one race of human beings at that very moment.

Then there will be the nationalistic pride of the planetary universe!!!!!!! :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all immigrants. I worked for a company where most of it&#8217;s employees were African Americans. I had an old Irish lady say, &#8220;I wish they would all go back to Africa.&#8221;</p>
<p>I said, &#8220;I think they should send all of YOU back to Ireland.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Bush &#8211; I used to think most wars were based on religion. That is only on the surface. On a deeper level, it is nationalistic pride.</p>
<p>We should be proud of being individuals, not individuals from a certain group. This a type of macro-social nationalism.</p>
<p>Let me say it like this,&#8221;I am proud to be a human being from Earth.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we get invaded by aliens, we will be one race of human beings at that very moment.</p>
<p>Then there will be the nationalistic pride of the planetary universe!!!!!!! <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bush Mackel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bush Mackel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Mark, great post. And I really enjoyed reading what Bobby and Forest had to say. I&#039;m pretty tired at the moment so I&#039;ll be brief.

1) I don&#039;t like the name Amero. 

2) I tend to agree with what Bobby said in that clinging to certain things divides the world such as the &quot;my country is better than you&quot; mentality. I for one am proud to be an American and all that that stands for but I do think that if we (as humans) are to really go fwd in the future we will have to drop this clingyness to all these titles such as Democrat, Republican etc. 

3)I think more wars have been over religion that nationality but I&#039;m no historian so don&#039;t quote me on this. (#);)

4)On immigration - I think I know what you&#039;re talking about Mark...Aren&#039;t there cities called Santuary Cities where police are told not to deport illegal immigrants? 

5)If we were to deport all the illegal immigrants today, I think our economy would suffer greatly so unfortunately the answer isn&#039;t as easy as that.

6)If I had a family and was living in substandard conditions and knew that I came here and worked illegally that I could provide a better life for them, I probably would. ... So even though it&#039;s not lawful, I have a hard time condemning illegal&#039;s for doing that. 

7)Clapton&#039;s new double CD compilation is super great. I suggest everyone pick it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Mark, great post. And I really enjoyed reading what Bobby and Forest had to say. I&#8217;m pretty tired at the moment so I&#8217;ll be brief.</p>
<p>1) I don&#8217;t like the name Amero. </p>
<p>2) I tend to agree with what Bobby said in that clinging to certain things divides the world such as the &#8220;my country is better than you&#8221; mentality. I for one am proud to be an American and all that that stands for but I do think that if we (as humans) are to really go fwd in the future we will have to drop this clingyness to all these titles such as Democrat, Republican etc. </p>
<p>3)I think more wars have been over religion that nationality but I&#8217;m no historian so don&#8217;t quote me on this. (#);)</p>
<p>4)On immigration &#8211; I think I know what you&#8217;re talking about Mark&#8230;Aren&#8217;t there cities called Santuary Cities where police are told not to deport illegal immigrants? </p>
<p>5)If we were to deport all the illegal immigrants today, I think our economy would suffer greatly so unfortunately the answer isn&#8217;t as easy as that.</p>
<p>6)If I had a family and was living in substandard conditions and knew that I came here and worked illegally that I could provide a better life for them, I probably would. &#8230; So even though it&#8217;s not lawful, I have a hard time condemning illegal&#8217;s for doing that. </p>
<p>7)Clapton&#8217;s new double CD compilation is super great. I suggest everyone pick it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Forest Parks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forest Parks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now being an Englishman I don&#039;t know if I have any *right* to say anything on this matter but......

I do think that America should keep the $$$$$ as in some cases the transfer over to the Euro has been problematic for some and at present the $$$$ still holds some power (even though it&#039;s slipping badly and is now equal to it&#039;s Canadian counterpart).

However on the term subjects of illegal immigrants I really do believe the approach should be different. America needs it&#039;s immigrants for many of it&#039;s low end services and sadly due to the way things work alot of them immigrants happen to be illegal. There really are not enough Americans who want to wash toilets and stock warehouses so these workers have to come from somewhere. In our greedy capitalist world and where we as the &#039;consumer&#039; are seeking better value the company owners are turning to cheap illegal and foreign people, often from Mexico to carry out these deeds for what I am sure is probably half the legal wage in many cases.

So I believe that these workers do deserve some form of amnesty if they are needed workers. I really think the American system of immigration needs huge reform and a hell of a lot of speeding up. I really don&#039;t think many Mexicans are illegally coming over the border to blow things up or do anything against the interests of the USA. I really believe most of them are just feeding their families, like we all would if we had to.

:oops: hope that makes some kind of sense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now being an Englishman I don&#8217;t know if I have any *right* to say anything on this matter but&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I do think that America should keep the $$$$$ as in some cases the transfer over to the Euro has been problematic for some and at present the $$$$ still holds some power (even though it&#8217;s slipping badly and is now equal to it&#8217;s Canadian counterpart).</p>
<p>However on the term subjects of illegal immigrants I really do believe the approach should be different. America needs it&#8217;s immigrants for many of it&#8217;s low end services and sadly due to the way things work alot of them immigrants happen to be illegal. There really are not enough Americans who want to wash toilets and stock warehouses so these workers have to come from somewhere. In our greedy capitalist world and where we as the &#8216;consumer&#8217; are seeking better value the company owners are turning to cheap illegal and foreign people, often from Mexico to carry out these deeds for what I am sure is probably half the legal wage in many cases.</p>
<p>So I believe that these workers do deserve some form of amnesty if they are needed workers. I really think the American system of immigration needs huge reform and a hell of a lot of speeding up. I really don&#8217;t think many Mexicans are illegally coming over the border to blow things up or do anything against the interests of the USA. I really believe most of them are just feeding their families, like we all would if we had to.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_redface.gif' alt=':oops:' class='wp-smiley' />  hope that makes some kind of sense</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Revell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby Revell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is inevitable that one day, the entire world be be one giant country, the people of Earth.

I do not fear a one world government because fighting against this idea is what keeps people separated. Sure, I&#039;m proud to be an American. I am also proud of my American Indian, German, English and French heritage.

Nationalism is something that divides people. The sooner we become more proud of being the people of Earth than we are being American, the sooner war and hatred of others will be a distant memory.

Every fear Americans have such as a war on our own soil doesn&#039;t scare me. This country cannot be taken over even if it were invaded by 40 nations.

Talk about being dug in like ticks. Hell, we really couldn&#039;t take over a small country like Iraq. Imagine the magnitude of taking over the USA!

&quot;To dilute our individuality?&quot; We would be much more individual if we do become one race of humans. It is the deepest reason for every war ever fought. Think about it.

I am so against our system of government because I cannot be a democrat or a republican. No one else is either. It just gives us more to fight over!!!!!!! :smile: I just want to be myself and nothing more :idea:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is inevitable that one day, the entire world be be one giant country, the people of Earth.</p>
<p>I do not fear a one world government because fighting against this idea is what keeps people separated. Sure, I&#8217;m proud to be an American. I am also proud of my American Indian, German, English and French heritage.</p>
<p>Nationalism is something that divides people. The sooner we become more proud of being the people of Earth than we are being American, the sooner war and hatred of others will be a distant memory.</p>
<p>Every fear Americans have such as a war on our own soil doesn&#8217;t scare me. This country cannot be taken over even if it were invaded by 40 nations.</p>
<p>Talk about being dug in like ticks. Hell, we really couldn&#8217;t take over a small country like Iraq. Imagine the magnitude of taking over the USA!</p>
<p>&#8220;To dilute our individuality?&#8221; We would be much more individual if we do become one race of humans. It is the deepest reason for every war ever fought. Think about it.</p>
<p>I am so against our system of government because I cannot be a democrat or a republican. No one else is either. It just gives us more to fight over!!!!!!! <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' />  I just want to be myself and nothing more <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_idea.gif' alt=':idea:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brown Baron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brown Baron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christy:
I hope you never swing your purse at me  :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christy:<br />
I hope you never swing your purse at me  <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Christy:

700 pound purse? Wow, you Canadians must be strong.  :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Christy:</p>
<p>700 pound purse? Wow, you Canadians must be strong.  <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty much the same in every country.

At least you don&#039;t have to have the &quot;loonie&quot; and the &quot;toonie&quot; which is what we Canadians have to drag around in our 700 pound purses. Loonie (one dollar coin) - Toonie (two dollar coin). 

I mean seriously how can anyone take us seriously! Oh well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty much the same in every country.</p>
<p>At least you don&#8217;t have to have the &#8220;loonie&#8221; and the &#8220;toonie&#8221; which is what we Canadians have to drag around in our 700 pound purses. Loonie (one dollar coin) &#8211; Toonie (two dollar coin). </p>
<p>I mean seriously how can anyone take us seriously! Oh well&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ad Tracker:

Hehe...they could do it, too.  :wink:</description>
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<p>Hehe&#8230;they could do it, too.  <img src='http://www.meandmydrum.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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